Discussion:
the original necronomicon...
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alhazred
2003-09-25 17:11:19 UTC
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hello, i'm pretty new to newsgroups and stuff, but so far, so good...
=) and as i have a strong obssession for legendary and well-known
deities and creatures, as well as gods and godessess, as well as
ancient history, occult and mysteries of the universe, i wonder if
anyone of you know if there exists one single copy of the original
necronomicon in our time?
Morpheus
2003-09-26 16:27:49 UTC
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Post by alhazred
hello, i'm pretty new to newsgroups and stuff, but so far, so good...
=) and as i have a strong obssession for legendary and well-known
deities and creatures, as well as gods and godessess, as well as
ancient history, occult and mysteries of the universe, i wonder if
anyone of you know if there exists one single copy of the original
necronomicon in our time?
It was being kept carefully guarded in the main library of Baghdad. The
invasion of Iraq was just a smokescreen to withdraw protection from the
library and museum. Note how the US military "forgot:" to provide
protection for those sites allowing them to be ransacked by "looters". The
current whereabouts of the original Necronomicon is unknown although rumours
speak of it being quietly offered for sale on the black market. Initial bid
is $10 million US. Other rumours speak of it and other arcane artifacts
from the museum vanishing into Area 51 where it has become the focus of
research.
Al Smith
2003-09-26 22:05:49 UTC
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Post by Morpheus
Post by alhazred
hello, i'm pretty new to newsgroups and stuff, but so far, so good...
Post by alhazred
=) and as i have a strong obssession for legendary and well-known
deities and creatures, as well as gods and godessess, as well as
ancient history, occult and mysteries of the universe, i wonder if
anyone of you know if there exists one single copy of the original
necronomicon in our time?
It was being kept carefully guarded in the main library of Baghdad. The
invasion of Iraq was just a smokescreen to withdraw protection from the
library and museum. Note how the US military "forgot:" to provide
protection for those sites allowing them to be ransacked by "looters". The
current whereabouts of the original Necronomicon is unknown although rumours
speak of it being quietly offered for sale on the black market. Initial bid
is $10 million US. Other rumours speak of it and other arcane artifacts
from the museum vanishing into Area 51 where it has become the focus of
research.
As I understand it, the United States military carefully
engineered the looting of Bagdad, so they took pains to insure
that the museum where the original manuscript copy of the
Necronomicon was kept would be off limits to the Iraqi looters,
but open to the special forces looters, who took the book, placed
it on a black heliocopter and flew it to Saudia Arabia, where it
was taken by special military jet to some undisclosed secure
location in the American midwest.

Area 51? Ha, ha. That been the military's biggest joke for
decades. There's nothing there! It's all empty buildings and dummy
planes and military vehicles made of cardboard. The real testing
base for advanced military weapons technology is a carefully
guarded secret. Think about it. The US military isn't dumb enough
to test their most secret planes at a base that is staked out
every night by UFO nuts with telescopes and listening cones.

The Necronomicon is being used as the heart of a new weapons
project that relies on magical force to power its weapons. This
force, known as mana, can be created from the aether by using the
incantations and pentacles in the Necronomicon. Once fueled with
mana, the new weapons are rumored to be unstoppable.

All the crap about the Necronomicon being invented by the pulp
fiction writer H. P. Lovecraft is just a smokescreen to delude,
confuse and obfuscate those who would seek to learn the true
history of this dread tome.

Why do you think Iraq had the balls to invade Kuwait during the
term of George Bush Senior? They had the book, and were confident
that they could use it as a final doomsday weapon, but their
magicians proved to be unequal to handling its power. Sadam
Hussain didn't have the courage to make the final decision to use
the book, since it would have unleashed powers that would make the
atomic bomb look like a popgun. Instead, he settled for peace
terms, knowing full well he would never have to actually fulfill
those terms.

There are only a handful of magicians in the world who can work
the spells in the Necronomicon. Israel has two. Russia has five.
England has one. The United States has nine, and is said to be
seeking to assassinate the others that are beyond the scope of its
direct control. Copies of portions of the Necronimicon are in the
possession of the NSA, the KGB, Britain's secret service, and
other secret organizations around the world. Chinese scientists
are said to be working on a Chinese translation of a portion of
the book's introduction, but so far it is said that they have
failed to procure copies of the original text of any of the actual
spells.

All this is well documented on numerous highly regarded Web sites
on the Internet, but these sites have the habit of disappearing
suddenly and without warning, victim of the hacking efforts and
other dirty tricks brought against them by the Church of
Scientology, which, as everyone knows, is merely a tool of the CIA.
Little Green Eyed Dragon
2007-03-05 02:11:24 UTC
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Post by Al Smith
Post by Morpheus
Post by alhazred
hello, i'm pretty new to newsgroups and stuff, but so far, so good...
Post by alhazred
=) and as i have a strong obssession for legendary and well-known
deities and creatures, as well as gods and godessess, as well as
ancient history, occult and mysteries of the universe, i wonder if
anyone of you know if there exists one single copy of the original
necronomicon in our time?
It was being kept carefully guarded in the main library of Baghdad. The
invasion of Iraq was just a smokescreen to withdraw protection from the
library and museum. Note how the US military "forgot:" to provide
protection for those sites allowing them to be ransacked by "looters". The
current whereabouts of the original Necronomicon is unknown although rumours
speak of it being quietly offered for sale on the black market. Initial bid
is $10 million US. Other rumours speak of it and other arcane artifacts
from the museum vanishing into Area 51 where it has become the focus of
research.
As I understand it, the United States military carefully
engineered the looting of Bagdad, so they took pains to insure
that the museum where the original manuscript copy of the
Necronomicon was kept would be off limits to the Iraqi looters,
but open to the special forces looters, who took the book, placed
it on a black heliocopter and flew it to Saudia Arabia, where it
was taken by special military jet to some undisclosed secure
location in the American midwest.
Area 51? Ha, ha. That been the military's biggest joke for
decades. There's nothing there! It's all empty buildings and dummy
planes and military vehicles made of cardboard. The real testing
base for advanced military weapons technology is a carefully
guarded secret. Think about it. The US military isn't dumb enough
to test their most secret planes at a base that is staked out
every night by UFO nuts with telescopes and listening cones.
The Necronomicon is being used as the heart of a new weapons
project that relies on magical force to power its weapons. This
force, known as mana, can be created from the aether by using the
incantations and pentacles in the Necronomicon. Once fueled with
mana, the new weapons are rumored to be unstoppable.
All the crap about the Necronomicon being invented by the pulp
fiction writer H. P. Lovecraft is just a smokescreen to delude,
confuse and obfuscate those who would seek to learn the true
history of this dread tome.
Why do you think Iraq had the balls to invade Kuwait during the
term of George Bush Senior? They had the book, and were confident
that they could use it as a final doomsday weapon, but their
magicians proved to be unequal to handling its power. Sadam
Hussain didn't have the courage to make the final decision to use
the book, since it would have unleashed powers that would make the
atomic bomb look like a popgun. Instead, he settled for peace
terms, knowing full well he would never have to actually fulfill
those terms.
There are only a handful of magicians in the world who can work
the spells in the Necronomicon. Israel has two. Russia has five.
England has one. The United States has nine, and is said to be
seeking to assassinate the others that are beyond the scope of its
direct control. Copies of portions of the Necronimicon are in the
possession of the NSA, the KGB, Britain's secret service, and
other secret organizations around the world. Chinese scientists
are said to be working on a Chinese translation of a portion of
the book's introduction, but so far it is said that they have
failed to procure copies of the original text of any of the actual
spells.
All this is well documented on numerous highly regarded Web sites
on the Internet, but these sites have the habit of disappearing
suddenly and without warning, victim of the hacking efforts and
other dirty tricks brought against them by the Church of
Scientology, which, as everyone knows, is merely a tool of the CIA.
LOL
--
Would thou choose to meet a rat eating dragon, or
a dragon, eating rat? The answer of: I am somewhere
in the middle. "Me who is part taoist and part Christian".
jeanannd
2003-10-13 21:15:01 UTC
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Very good cultist Morpheus. The Dark Man WILL be PLEASED!!! (please
remember that double think is a way of life). ;)
--
^ ^
"< jeanannd
/ I \ /
\ / I \/
Post by alhazred
hello, i'm pretty new to newsgroups and stuff, but so far, so good...
=) and as i have a strong obssession for legendary and well-known
deities and creatures, as well as gods and godessess, as well as
ancient history, occult and mysteries of the universe, i wonder if
anyone of you know if there exists one single copy of the original
necronomicon in our time?
It was being kept carefully guarded in the main library of Baghdad. The
invasion of Iraq was just a smokescreen to withdraw protection from the
library and museum. Note how the US military "forgot:" to provide
protection for those sites allowing them to be ransacked by "looters".
The
current whereabouts of the original Necronomicon is unknown although rumours
speak of it being quietly offered for sale on the black market. Initial bid
is $10 million US. Other rumours speak of it and other arcane artifacts
from the museum vanishing into Area 51 where it has become the focus of
research.
Don D'Ammassa
2003-09-27 01:48:08 UTC
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Post by alhazred
hello, i'm pretty new to newsgroups and stuff, but so far, so good...
=) and as i have a strong obssession for legendary and well-known
deities and creatures, as well as gods and godessess, as well as
ancient history, occult and mysteries of the universe, i wonder if
anyone of you know if there exists one single copy of the original
necronomicon in our time?
As several people will probably tell you in due course, there is no
original copy because it's a fictional book, created as a plot device by
the horror writer H.P. Lovecraft. Subsequently there have been several
books published by that name, all designed to make money of the popularity
of the name, but these are all fakes. There is no real Necronomicon in
that sense.
tyrtix
2003-09-30 07:31:42 UTC
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Post by Don D'Ammassa
Post by alhazred
hello, i'm pretty new to newsgroups and stuff, but so far, so good...
=) and as i have a strong obssession for legendary and well-known
deities and creatures, as well as gods and godessess, as well as
ancient history, occult and mysteries of the universe, i wonder if
anyone of you know if there exists one single copy of the original
necronomicon in our time?
As several people will probably tell you in due course, there is no
original copy because it's a fictional book, created as a plot device by
the horror writer H.P. Lovecraft. Subsequently there have been several
books published by that name, all designed to make money of the popularity
of the name, but these are all fakes. There is no real Necronomicon in
that sense.
Do you know that some of the manuscripts of Galileo Galilei (originals),
speak about that book, the Necronomicon? maybe someone knows this book a
little first than H P Lovecraft...
John Prenis
2003-09-30 13:37:31 UTC
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A -=verifiable=- pre-Lovecraft citing of the Necronomicon would be
Really Big News.

(Actually, if I wanted to look for this kind of stuff, I'd check Kepler
first. Now there was a guy with an interesting outlook... )

tyrtix <***@iol.it> wrote:

: Do you know that some of the manuscripts of Galileo Galilei (originals),
: speak about that book, the Necronomicon?
Don D'Ammassa
2003-09-30 14:42:19 UTC
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Post by tyrtix
Post by Don D'Ammassa
Post by alhazred
hello, i'm pretty new to newsgroups and stuff, but so far, so
good... =) and as i have a strong obssession for legendary and
well-known deities and creatures, as well as gods and godessess, as
well as ancient history, occult and mysteries of the universe, i
wonder if anyone of you know if there exists one single copy of the
original necronomicon in our time?
As several people will probably tell you in due course, there is no
original copy because it's a fictional book, created as a plot device
by the horror writer H.P. Lovecraft. Subsequently there have been
several books published by that name, all designed to make money of
the popularity of the name, but these are all fakes. There is no
real Necronomicon in that sense.
Do you know that some of the manuscripts of Galileo Galilei
(originals), speak about that book, the Necronomicon? maybe someone
knows this book a little first than H P Lovecraft...
No, I don't know that, and neither do you because it isn't true.
tyrtix
2003-10-01 11:17:08 UTC
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Post by Don D'Ammassa
No, I don't know that, and neither do you because it isn't true.
Ehmm, im' Italian, maybe i Know somethingh about Galileo Galilei.. there are
2 pages in wich he wrote somethingh about the Necronomicon...H.P. cannot be
the father of this legend, it's too much radicated in so many different
cultures.
John Prenis
2003-10-01 13:13:39 UTC
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Has this manuscript been published? Is the reference something you've
seen yourself?

tyrtix <***@iol.it> wrote:
: cut

:> No, I don't know that, and neither do you because it isn't true.

: Ehmm, im' Italian, maybe i Know somethingh about Galileo Galilei.. there are
: 2 pages in wich he wrote somethingh about the Necronomicon...H.P. cannot be
: the father of this legend, it's too much radicated in so many different
: cultures.
tyrtix
2003-10-01 18:46:53 UTC
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Post by John Prenis
Has this manuscript been published? Is the reference something you've
seen yourself?
cut

I remember i've read this on a book, there are 2 pages of a manuscript
written by Galileo Galilei (or maybe Leonardo da Vinci, i can't remember
clearly now); these two pages describes the book from legends that Galilei
had heard, and some ideas on where it could (obviously) be found. There was
even a little step on what the book contains, always based on rumors and
legends. I clearly remember that i've seen photos of these two pages...and i
belive the necronomicon is not the ONLY prohibited book that is STILL in
existence..someone of you, maybe, know that there are 9 versions of the
history of jesus (i don't know the english word for "vangelo"), and one of
these is rumored that contains some other "miracles" about this man...
Don D'Ammassa
2003-10-01 21:22:05 UTC
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Post by tyrtix
Post by John Prenis
Has this manuscript been published? Is the reference something you've
seen yourself?
cut
I remember i've read this on a book, there are 2 pages of a manuscript
written by Galileo Galilei (or maybe Leonardo da Vinci, i can't
remember clearly now); these two pages describes the book from legends
that Galilei had heard, and some ideas on where it could (obviously)
be found. There was even a little step on what the book contains,
always based on rumors and legends. I clearly remember that i've seen
photos of these two pages...and i belive the necronomicon is not the
ONLY prohibited book that is STILL in existence..someone of you,
maybe, know that there are 9 versions of the history of jesus (i don't
know the english word for "vangelo"), and one of these is rumored that
contains some other "miracles" about this man...
You either read it in a book of fiction, or you read it in one of the hoax
Necronomicons. We go through this all the time here. Someone insists that
the Necronomicon is on the Vatican's banned list, or mentioned by Aleister
Crowley, or there's a copy in the British Museum. All of the stories are
false.
Al Smith
2003-10-03 18:36:37 UTC
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The word Necronomicon exists, but
Post by Don D'Ammassa
the book of spells of that name was invented by H.P. Lovecraft
in the 20th
Post by Don D'Ammassa
Century.
Where does the word "Necronomicon" appear? I thought Lovecraft
invented it.
Dan Clore
2003-10-02 04:06:23 UTC
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Post by tyrtix
Post by John Prenis
Has this manuscript been published? Is the reference something you've
seen yourself?
I remember i've read this on a book, there are 2 pages of a manuscript
written by Galileo Galilei (or maybe Leonardo da Vinci, i can't remember
clearly now); these two pages describes the book from legends that Galilei
had heard, and some ideas on where it could (obviously) be found. There was
even a little step on what the book contains, always based on rumors and
legends. I clearly remember that i've seen photos of these two pages...and i
belive the necronomicon is not the ONLY prohibited book that is STILL in
existence..someone of you, maybe, know that there are 9 versions of the
history of jesus (i don't know the english word for "vangelo"), and one of
these is rumored that contains some other "miracles" about this man...
If you cannot provide appropriate checkable documentation
for such claims, they have no value to us.
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Don D'Ammassa
2003-10-01 13:27:44 UTC
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Post by tyrtix
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Post by Don D'Ammassa
No, I don't know that, and neither do you because it isn't true.
Ehmm, im' Italian, maybe i Know somethingh about Galileo Galilei..
there are 2 pages in wich he wrote somethingh about the
Necronomicon...H.P. cannot be the father of this legend, it's too much
radicated in so many different cultures.
You may be Italian, but you're wrong. The word Necronomicon exists, but
the book of spells of that name was invented by H.P. Lovecraft in the 20th
Century. There are no references to this work prior to the 20th Century
anywhere, and occult researchers would long since have provided evidence to
the contrary if it existed.
tyrtix
2003-10-01 18:36:43 UTC
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Post by Don D'Ammassa
Post by tyrtix
cut
Post by Don D'Ammassa
No, I don't know that, and neither do you because it isn't true.
Ehmm, im' Italian, maybe i Know somethingh about Galileo Galilei..
there are 2 pages in wich he wrote somethingh about the
Necronomicon...H.P. cannot be the father of this legend, it's too much
radicated in so many different cultures.
You may be Italian, but you're wrong. The word Necronomicon exists, but
the book of spells of that name was invented by H.P. Lovecraft in the 20th
Century. There are no references to this work prior to the 20th Century
anywhere, and occult researchers would long since have provided evidence to
the contrary if it existed.
It make no sense to me write in this newsgroup if you don't think this book
exist; why are you here, only to confirm that tis is only an idea of this
writer?
many of the people that belive something else exist in this world rather
than science have no need of confirmations on what they think
(excuse-me if i had made some mistakes..)
Don D'Ammassa
2003-10-01 21:20:14 UTC
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Post by tyrtix
It make no sense to me write in this newsgroup if you don't think this
book exist; why are you here, only to confirm that tis is only an idea
of this writer?
many of the people that belive something else exist in this world
rather than science have no need of confirmations on what they think
(excuse-me if i had made some mistakes..)
First of all,the newsgroup is frequently a place to discuss Lovecraft's
fiction, which is why I read it. Second, it's always a worthwhile thing to
dispel ignorance. I'm perfectly willing to believe that there are things
in the world outside the realm of science, but the Necronomicon is not one
of them. It's a well documented FICTIONAL book. If you're seeking
knowledge, an important step is to recognize falsehoods.
John Prenis
2003-10-02 14:19:38 UTC
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I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Galileo was into
fascinating weird stuff. This is often the case with original thinkers.

---
The trouble with keeping an open mind is that people come along and try
to dump garbage into it.

Don D'Ammassa <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: "tyrtix" <***@iol.it> wrote in
: news:%8Feb.1628$***@twister2.libero.it:

:>
:> "Don D'Ammassa" <***@ix.netcom.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
:> news:***@207.69.154.204...
:>> "tyrtix" <***@iol.it> wrote in
:>> news:UIyeb.381$***@twister2.libero.it:
:>>
:>
:> It make no sense to me write in this newsgroup if you don't think this
:> book exist; why are you here, only to confirm that tis is only an idea
:> of this writer?
:> many of the people that belive something else exist in this world
:> rather than science have no need of confirmations on what they think
:> (excuse-me if i had made some mistakes..)
:>
:>

: First of all,the newsgroup is frequently a place to discuss Lovecraft's
: fiction, which is why I read it. Second, it's always a worthwhile thing to
: dispel ignorance. I'm perfectly willing to believe that there are things
: in the world outside the realm of science, but the Necronomicon is not one
: of them. It's a well documented FICTIONAL book. If you're seeking
: knowledge, an important step is to recognize falsehoods.
:>
Don D'Ammassa
2003-10-02 18:31:50 UTC
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Post by John Prenis
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Galileo was into
fascinating weird stuff. This is often the case with original
thinkers.
I wouldn't be surprised either. I would be surprised if he was into
fascinating weird stuff that didn't exist until hundreds of years after his
death.
Morpheus
2003-10-02 21:29:08 UTC
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Post by Don D'Ammassa
Post by John Prenis
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Galileo was into
fascinating weird stuff. This is often the case with original thinkers.
I wouldn't be surprised either. I would be surprised if he was into
fascinating weird stuff that didn't exist until hundreds of years after his
death.
Why not? He and Leonardo Da Vinci were far ahead of their time.
tyrtix
2003-10-04 07:17:41 UTC
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Post by Morpheus
Post by Don D'Ammassa
Post by John Prenis
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Galileo was into
fascinating weird stuff. This is often the case with original thinkers.
I wouldn't be surprised either. I would be surprised if he was into
fascinating weird stuff that didn't exist until hundreds of years after
his
Post by Don D'Ammassa
death.
Why not? He and Leonardo Da Vinci were far ahead of their time.
If i tell you that here in Italy there is a sacred place in which there is a
sword completely "immersed" in a rock, do you belive me?
It's all real, this place is in the italian region of Umbria, and near this
place a great chatedral was built, now is all in ruin...but not the chapel
with the sword...
there are so many "strange" thinghs in this world that i can't say that
surely the Necronomicon was only the invention of a writer...
Morpheus
2003-10-04 11:57:36 UTC
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Post by tyrtix
Post by Morpheus
Post by Don D'Ammassa
Post by John Prenis
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Galileo was into
fascinating weird stuff. This is often the case with original thinkers.
I wouldn't be surprised either. I would be surprised if he was into
fascinating weird stuff that didn't exist until hundreds of years after
his
Post by Don D'Ammassa
death.
Why not? He and Leonardo Da Vinci were far ahead of their time.
If i tell you that here in Italy there is a sacred place in which there is a
sword completely "immersed" in a rock, do you belive me?
It's all real, this place is in the italian region of Umbria, and near this
place a great chatedral was built, now is all in ruin...but not the chapel
with the sword...
there are so many "strange" thinghs in this world that i can't say that
surely the Necronomicon was only the invention of a writer...
Would pulling out that sword declare me the rightful king of England (I'd
settle for a smaller kingdom)?
W.Taal
2003-10-04 13:52:05 UTC
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Hi everyone,

With quite some interest I have followed this latest discussion, especially
since I am a scholar researching the Necronomicon from another point of
view: the Necronomicon as a topos (I don't know if English literature uses
the same term). What it means is that Necronomicon is not a real work, but
something Lovecraft uses to let the reader know in what kind of situation
the protagonist has come. In other words: Necronomicon is a structure used
to locate the 'Locus Terribilis', or the terrible place. Read Lovecraft and
see what you can get out of that.
My second hypothesis is that there are two things at work when people
believe that Necronomicon is real: At first they take Lovecrafts fiction too
literal, because of his writing style and the mixture of fictional books and
real books in his stories. On the other hand: Necronomicon also has a
psychological attraction to people: it is a book of immense power. People
who tried to read it, had gone mad, the words alone had such power. If
someone could possess such a work, that would make him or her one of the
most powerful people on this world. And since powerful people are a minority
and the majority is more or less powerless, a majority would like to have
such a book, to attain that power.
My research so far has not proven the existence of the Necronomicon from
before 1922. The book was born in that year, and merely as an 'unwritten
classic', like L. Sprague de Camp wrote in his article 'The Unwritten
Classics' in the Saturday Review of Literature from march 1947.
Yesterday I was reading one of the probable sources for Necronomicon in the
Special Collections department of the Library of the University of
Amsterdam, the Astronomicon by Manilius. It is very probable that Lovecraft
derived the name from that poem.

In short: I have found absolutely NO evidence for the objective existence of
the Necronomicon.

Kind regards,
Wilmar Taal
Netherlands.
John Prenis
2003-10-06 15:48:34 UTC
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(more Google)

Marcus Manilius' Astronomicon was a Latin astronomical/astrological
discourse in verse that was published in the first century and
rediscovered in the 1400s. Possibly the first astrological work to
appear in English.

I also found this:

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/FAQnecronomicon.html

Now if you can't trust what the Church of Satan has to say about the
Necronomicon, who can you trust?


W.Taal <***@planet.nl> wrote:
: Hi everyone,

: With quite some interest I have followed this latest discussion, especially
: since I am a scholar researching the Necronomicon from another point of
: view: the Necronomicon as a topos (I don't know if English literature uses
: the same term). What it means is that Necronomicon is not a real work, but
: something Lovecraft uses to let the reader know in what kind of situation
: the protagonist has come. In other words: Necronomicon is a structure used
: to locate the 'Locus Terribilis', or the terrible place. Read Lovecraft and
: see what you can get out of that.
: My second hypothesis is that there are two things at work when people
: believe that Necronomicon is real: At first they take Lovecrafts fiction too
: literal, because of his writing style and the mixture of fictional books and
: real books in his stories. On the other hand: Necronomicon also has a
: psychological attraction to people: it is a book of immense power. People
: who tried to read it, had gone mad, the words alone had such power. If
: someone could possess such a work, that would make him or her one of the
: most powerful people on this world. And since powerful people are a minority
: and the majority is more or less powerless, a majority would like to have
: such a book, to attain that power.
: My research so far has not proven the existence of the Necronomicon from
: before 1922. The book was born in that year, and merely as an 'unwritten
: classic', like L. Sprague de Camp wrote in his article 'The Unwritten
: Classics' in the Saturday Review of Literature from march 1947.
: Yesterday I was reading one of the probable sources for Necronomicon in the
: Special Collections department of the Library of the University of
: Amsterdam, the Astronomicon by Manilius. It is very probable that Lovecraft
: derived the name from that poem.

: In short: I have found absolutely NO evidence for the objective existence of
: the Necronomicon.

: Kind regards,
: Wilmar Taal
: Netherlands.
Don D'Ammassa
2003-10-04 14:17:38 UTC
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there are so many "strange" thinghs in this world that i can't say
that surely the Necronomicon was only the invention of a writer...
You can't, but the rest of us, with reasonable certainty, can say that it
WAS the invention of a writer because there is no evidence to the contrary.
Do you believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny?
W.Taal
2003-10-04 15:46:31 UTC
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The 'evidence' given that in 2 pages of Galilei or Da Vinci was something
mentioned about the Necronomicon, is something that everyone can state. Name
us the manuscript, title, year of publication, source where we can find this
book. Stating that you are Italian and that you must know something about
Galilei is not of any use. I am Dutch, but to say that I know all about Hugo
de Groot, is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as stating that you must know
something about Galilei because you are Italian.

But Galilei and Necronomicon DO have something in common: they both appear
on the Index Expurgatorius....
Don D'Ammassa
2003-10-04 17:40:28 UTC
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The 'evidence' given that in 2 pages of Galilei or Da Vinci was
something mentioned about the Necronomicon, is something that everyone
can state. Name us the manuscript, title, year of publication, source
where we can find this book. Stating that you are Italian and that you
must know something about Galilei is not of any use. I am Dutch, but
to say that I know all about Hugo de Groot, is ridiculous. Just as
ridiculous as stating that you must know something about Galilei
because you are Italian.
But Galilei and Necronomicon DO have something in common: they both
appear on the Index Expurgatorius....
Do you have any evidence that it's on the Index? No? I didn't think so.
W.Taal
2003-10-05 09:59:49 UTC
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It was meant ironically
Don D'Ammassa
2003-10-05 14:19:58 UTC
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It was meant ironically
There are so many people who say that straightforwardly that it's often
hard to tell.
W.Taal
2003-10-05 10:01:06 UTC
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Should have put a smiley behind that last line...Sorry.
John Prenis
2003-10-06 15:26:05 UTC
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(brief pause to call up Google)
Hugo de Groot, aka 'Grotius', was a well respected legal theorist and
theologian and an interesting person in his own right. Not in the
'weird' sense though. His "De Jure Belli ac Pacis" (1625) contains
-- not a single reference to the Necronomicon --. Obviously there is a
coverup somewhere...
8-)

W.Taal <***@planet.nl> wrote:
: The 'evidence' given that in 2 pages of Galilei or Da Vinci was something
: mentioned about the Necronomicon, is something that everyone can state. Name
: us the manuscript, title, year of publication, source where we can find this
: book. Stating that you are Italian and that you must know something about
: Galilei is not of any use. I am Dutch, but to say that I know all about Hugo
: de Groot, is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as stating that you must know
: something about Galilei because you are Italian.

: But Galilei and Necronomicon DO have something in common: they both appear
: on the Index Expurgatorius....
W.Taal
2003-10-06 18:21:46 UTC
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So much I could tell you. He was one of the great thinkers in the
Netherlands. But what he has published in general besides De Iure Belli ac
Pacis, is beyond me. He escaped Castle Loevestein in a bookcase.
CC
2003-10-29 10:54:04 UTC
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Look at this site http://www.digital-brilliance.com/necron/necron.htm
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No, I don't know that, and neither do you because it isn't true.
Ehmm, im' Italian, maybe i Know somethingh about Galileo Galilei..
there are 2 pages in wich he wrote somethingh about the
Necronomicon...H.P. cannot be the father of this legend, it's too much
radicated in so many different cultures.
You may be Italian, but you're wrong. The word Necronomicon exists, but
the book of spells of that name was invented by H.P. Lovecraft in the 20th
Century. There are no references to this work prior to the 20th Century
anywhere, and occult researchers would long since have provided evidence
to
Post by Don D'Ammassa
the contrary if it existed.
It make no sense to me write in this newsgroup if you don't think this book
exist; why are you here, only to confirm that tis is only an idea of this
writer?
many of the people that belive something else exist in this world rather
than science have no need of confirmations on what they think
(excuse-me if i had made some mistakes..)
PowerSlave2112
2003-10-08 08:58:35 UTC
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I just got done reading the threads to this post and I think there are
several reasons people believe it's real. And spare me all the unsupported
rumors and claims.
1). H. P. Lovecraft may have derived some ideas from other sources. Good
writers always research their material and in researching the Necronomicon,
others stumbled across the same material and say "Ah hah! It DID exist!"
2). They WANT to believe it's real. I was one of them. Of course, at that
time I also believed in astrology, Tarot cards and witchcraft. Then I grew
up.
W.Taal
2003-10-08 09:36:26 UTC
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In some cases Lovecraft made them believe as well, in some letters he
started joking around, very recognizable to insiders, but to people who
didn't know what HPL was about, he could sound quite sincere. Sometimes it
takes to read further, into another letter or something. In some cases
people present the 'evidence', and do not tell that there is some
contradicting evidence as well. It has been done in the Roswell-case, where
some 'researchers' dug up material from the archives, and presented it as
'proof', but Philip Klass showed us that there was also evidence that told
that the 'proof' was actually a 'spoof', in other words: some researchers
choose to present you with some 'facts' that are contradicted by other
facts, but they leave out the contradiction. It has been done regarding the
necronomicon as well. For instance:

At the following website adress you find a History of the Necronomicon with
the following remark:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9897/nechist.htm

'In yet another letter (to James Blish and William Miller, 1936), Lovecraft
says:
"You are very fortunate in securing copies of the hellish and abhorred
Necronomicon. Are they the Latin texts printed in Germany in the fifteenth
century, or the Greek version printed in Italy in 1567, or the Spanish
translation of 1623? Or do these copies represent different texts?"
Note that this is not entirely consistent with the accounts given earlier'.

This is a school example of not giving the entire message. This comes from
the letter Lovecraft wrote may 13th 1936, and in answer to the same persons
on may 19th 1936 Lovecraft writes the following:

'About the 'Necronomicon' -bless my soul but I thought you knew that was a
strictly imaginary institution!'

It seemed that the persons wrote about the Faraday-review, a review about
the Necronomicon published in the Bradford Review and East Haven News in
1934. Donald Wollheim was the brain behind this hoax but Lovecraft thought
someone else, same letter as above:

'The paragraph about its being for sale at $ 1.49 was a joke - I don't know
who wrote it, but suspect young Bloch'.

So, if you stumble unto some evidence about the whereabouts of the
Necronomicon, look a little bit further, and you might discover that the
facts are not that easy.

Kind Regards,
Wilmar Taal
alhazred
2003-10-28 18:56:42 UTC
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heh, i never thought the post would reach this far... well, as i've
read, there's many theories about the necronomicon. And i won't say
that any of you are wrong or correct, because i don't know myself, or
else i wouldn't bring this subject up ^_^ But what i do believe is
that everything got a counterpart, like... without light, darkness
wouldn't exist and so on. And if now, the Bible is the holy book of
God and the book of all books. Doesn't it have a counterpart to? As an
example, Necronomicon would be the not so sacred book of the devil and
so on. But of course..... with every theories, follows a
countertheory. Without good, no evil, without evil, no good. ;) It
belongs to the human nature to turn against itself... and also, we
wouldn't do any progress if it wasn't that way... but for now, i let
you to your theories ^_^ have a nice day!
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